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Englander Seeks to Ban Sugary Soda from Los Angeles Parks and Libraries

He'll pour out 22 packets of sugar – representing the amount of sugar in each 20 ounce drink – for a city committee.

When Councilman Mitch Englander discovered that his daughter was unable to find any beverage other than sugar-packed sodas in a city park vending machine, he was motivated to introduce a motion to ban them.

So today he's pitching his plan to the Arts, Parks, Health and Aging Committee of the City Council to ban sodas from city park and library vending machines.

“As a father, and a longtime board member of the American Diabetes Association, the health of our children has long been a concern for me,” said Englander. “Providing healthier beverages in city vending machines is an easy way to make headway in the battle against diabetes and childhood obesity.”

He plans to demonstrate to the committee how much sugar is in sodas by emptying out 22 packets of sugar – representing the amount of sugar in each 20 ounce drink.

In 2002, the Los Angeles Unified School District banned the selling of sodas in all school cafeterias and campus vending machines.

In New York City, Mayor Michael Bloomberg is seeking to ban large-size sugary beverages. His proposal places a 16-ounce limit on bottled drinks and fountain beverages sold at city restaurants, movie theaters, sports venues and street carts. It affects drinks that have more than 25 calories per 8 ounces.

Following in the footsteps of New York City, Cambridge, MA, is considering limiting the size of sodas and sugar-sweetened beverages in city restaurants. The Cambridge mayor proposed the idea at the council’s meeting Monday night, because of the health risks caused by consuming too much soda.

“We need to move Mayor Bloomberg’s effort beyond the five boroughs to all 50 states. Junk drinks are a leading cause of an obesity and excess weight crisis that affects nearly one of every three kids in the United States and half of all kids in poor, rural areas,” Robert Ross of the California Endowment, a health foundation, told the Los Angeles Times.

However, Glen Whitman, an economist at Cal State Northridge who questions government's role in shaping and restricting individual choices for adults and children told the Huffington Post, "The idea of the state stepping in and treating adults essentially as children and trying to protect them for their own good, as opposed to the good of others, that's been with us for as long as we've been around, as long as we've had governments." 

Christina walsh June 19, 2012 at 06:38 pm
People (especially children) do need protecting from big corporations that get rich from misleading the public into thinking something unhealthful is good for them. Example: coca cola and their lies about vitaminwater:
(NaturalNews) Do you ever wonder things like "Who is actually gullible enough to think that Vitaminwater is healthy?" Although that question may seem demeaning or even arrogant, it turns out that the Coca-Cola company (which owns the Vitaminwater brand) is essentially asking that exact question. How so? In response to a recent lawsuit against Coca-Cola filed by the Center for Science in the Public Interest (CSPI), Coke's attorneys replied in court briefings that, "...no consumer could reasonably be misled into thinking vitaminwater was a healthy beverage."
Leigh Datzker June 19, 2012 at 07:10 pm
Let's see, Councilman Englander wants to be a police officer, a drug enforcement agent scooping up medical marijuana, and now, he wants to be the city's Sugar Daddy. Should be interesting in defining what a sugary drink is. Many 'healthy' fruit juices boast 120-150 calories per serving.
What's next, metering the amount of caffiene in sodas? Seems the city has more pressing problems for our neophyte councilman, such as a budget shortfall, poor street maintenance, and layoffs of critical personnel. Are sugary drinks and foods the next frontier for Captain Mitch? It seems to be anti-Republican to legislate additional ordinances and government intervention. Does he understand that his proposed ordinance will deprive work for our hardworking dentists in CD 12? Surely Mr. Englander can focus on more pressing issues with less caloric content, such as pushing for an entertainment center (jon creator) adjacent to the new Orange Line extension? How about forcing Time-Warner to provide up to date technology and services? I appreciate that he wants to protect his daughter from sugary drinks, but is this really a city-wide issue of great import?
Randy U. June 19, 2012 at 07:43 pm
Ban this and Ban that.....really...is there a differnance between Banning and making a law. Do we not have enough government telling us what we can and can not do. What we need to do is Ban the officials from office that have the time to waste on this type of thing while the city streets, Bridges, parks, schools and various other items throughout the city are falling apart. Please be careful how you vote for people so we do not have government wasting tax payer money banning business. That is what really should be reported here.
Denise June 19, 2012 at 08:02 pm
Does ths man have nothing of more importance to do for the community! Believe me, I am more than capable of deciding if I want my family to have a soda. This is ridiculous. Porter Ranch is having a little crime spree, speed bumps should be placed on many streets, the list is endless and he wants to jumping the sugar wagon?
Get out of my house and take care of my city. Chatsworth doesn't even have a downtown! How about some beautification project to turn a section f Chatsworth into a quaint spot to shop and hang out. We have nowhere. Thankfully we are surrounded by beauty but the town needs attention. So once more, stay out of my house and do something for the people of Chatsworth. I am sure there are any willing to help.
Pam Cole June 19, 2012 at 10:44 pm
So tired of government deciding what we should and should not have. Everytime there's a tobacco tax initiative, I vote against it. I've never smoked a day in my life. I think smoking is stupid. But it's not my business if people want to shorten their lifespans. Same goes for food. If they can tax tobacco because the government says it's bad for you, then they can tax the food they don't want you to have. Yes, this is a ban, and not a tax, but the same principal applies. It's not the government's job to punish people for living an unhealthy lifestyle, nor to take away their unhealthy things.
Jock June 19, 2012 at 11:15 pm
I hate sugar drinks. Personal opinion. But with this idea of Mitch's, does anyone see a pattern here ? Mr. Englander is again spreading his idea of goodness and suggesting it become law. Law with penalties . No group homes no Medical Marijuana dispensaries no Coca Cola at the park (joining beer and cigarettes and the no doubt soon to come Singapore style chewing Gum ban). Please stop trying to turn Los Angeles into Switzerland (where if your neighbor cooks with garlic you can have him evicted by law) Like some sort of magic draconian fairy he goes from cause to cause promoting ....Himself !!. I have also seen him posing on Earth Day as a friend of the environment at the Nature preserve. I love this place, so I liked that. Hey Mitch..there's almost no water in the mini-er and mini-er lake and the water is now algae land. I hope someone has put in some mosquito fish. Not even enough for fire helicopters. Frankly the guy worries me.
Ann Vincent June 20, 2012 at 12:02 am
We don't have vending machines at our Chatsworth Library. I wasn't aware of vending machines at any of the other local libraries. Food and drink are not allowed inside the libraries... There certainly isn't a vending machine at our local park...that would be Chatsworth Park South where you can't even get in because it is closed. So I guess we are safe from sugar drinks and didn't even know it.
So what money is being spent to address these issues that don't even exist?
R. Grace Rodriguez, Esq. June 20, 2012 at 11:37 am
Sugary drinks are not what lies at the heart of childhood obesity. Where you see an obese child you are likely to see an obese adult. Now why is that adult obese? Lots of very important reasons but sugary drinks didn't make them obese. If you look at the factors that cause obesity it come down to money. It is a lot cheaper to eat at fast food value menu than it is to eat a salad and some lean meat or fish. Have you been to a grocery store lately? So maybe vending machines are not at the heart of the issue. Maybe how much money people have to spend in this piss poor economy has a lot more to do with obesity and what it costs to eat healthy. Why not come up with some ideas that help people keep more of the money they earn, reduce housing costs, and make it more viable for small businesses to operate in this City might allow people the money and time it takes to compete with eating in fast food restaurants. Sugary drinks in the park are not the issue.
Doug Kasai June 20, 2012 at 01:16 pm
MAKE IT STOP! L.A. needs to reform budgetary deficits, pension reform and encouraging businesses to return back to L.A. If these aren't going to top priorities #1,2 and 3 but focus on soda bans, ALL City Council members need to be on part-time basis along with part-time pay! Also, PLEASE stop running for other city offices. Dance of the Lemons is rampant throughout the city of Los Angeles!
Ann Vincent June 20, 2012 at 01:33 pm
There are generally water fountains in most parks and libraries, making it possible to get a drink of water without having to spend money at a vending machine. The reality is that parents should teach their children the right choices to make and hope that they learn to choose wisely.
When traveling to a park, you should not expect the city to have provided vending machines with bottled water just to quench your thirst. You should learn to plan ahead and bring your own bottled water if you are not thirsty enough to drink out of a water fountain (already provided for you with our tax dollars). On a two-three hour hike or trail ride or outing...yes you bring your own water. Teach children to be responsible for themselves and not to complain if someone else drank all the bottled water out of some vending machine you do not have to use in the first place. Common sense!
Thomas Jefferson VII June 20, 2012 at 03:57 pm
Ann, we pay a TON of taxes from some services from the city, like COLD water @ a park & if the city uses a vending machine & makes a profit good. Enough of this for the children BS, the PARENTS are resposible or the child, unless Englander plans to stop adopting every corpoulant kid he sees. Yes drink tha lovely recycled, chorinated chloriminited & chemical infused, warm semi-'pure' tap H2o, if you can find a WORKING water fountain (been to Balboa park lately, I think 1 works aboe 3psi) Common sense, I bring $2 & want a bottle of cold water, what's wrong w/that ANN?? The City wastes so much $$$ giving us citizens something back is 0k, really!
This is just further example of this City being so F%^&ed up, so lets see, the ill (truly or not) will soon be unable to get medical marijuan legally (happy gangs!), illegal alien drivers without licenses (and how do they get INSURANCE even? They lie to DMV or Ins. Cos.) get to avoid car impound, illegal alien gangsters dont get reported to ICE, trees get trimmed every 35 years - unless they die & need replacing 1st, sidewalks are a jumbled obsticle course, biz taxes are outrageous in LA, now Englander is saying, go to the store if you want a soda!? Huh, oooh kay, but remember youhave to carry it home without a BAG, every try carriny a cold dew covered soda in a PAPER bag....oh I 4got "It's for the children..."
Christina walsh June 20, 2012 at 04:39 pm
Right on! Very well made and interesting points about the concept of bans and the politico games played. I certainly agree and believe mr Englander should first think about the money he spent putting a new gum floor into a park that remains closed. Sounds more and more like political bull than a sincere effort to improve things. I hope he chooses to read these comments about his prioriities vs those of the community he is supposed to represent.
Christina walsh June 20, 2012 at 04:41 pm
I meant gym floor.
Rebecca Whitnall (Editor) June 20, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Hi everyone, thank you for all the comments. Keep them coming! I'm especially curious to hear from the people who support the ban. The majority of people in our poll are against it, but a hearty 32 percent voted in support of it. I'd like to hear their thoughts.
Homer J. Simpson June 21, 2012 at 02:37 pm
Eliminate the water & soda, we want & NEED beer machines in the parks & libraries- O'douls for the kids, barley, hops (whole grains!) water & no processed sugar, Englandar, it's good for the kids, heck they drink wine in France!....also replace the Medical Marijuan dispensaries with machines located in city parks & LAPD station lobbies.....this is a slippery slope IF the City can ban stuff willy nilly, but hey don't ban unlicensed drivers from having the RIGHT to drive....
Bulldog1988 June 22, 2012 at 07:41 pm
I love soda. I love the taste, the caffeine, the carbonation. It's great with a burger! But, even I know that it should not be so readily available to kids (or adults for that matter). Sodas are not going to suddenly vanish from the earth (although every opponent of the policy naively speaks like it will). All the policy proposes is that the City not make a profit off a product that does no good (notice I didn't say an "inherently evil" product). No one thinks soda should be illegal. Kids should just have a bit more limited access to this yummy, addicting, liquid candy..
If you think this policy is nanny government, then you obviously have no clue what it's like to live everyday of your life in a food desert.. Think about the little kids that don't have a ice cube's chance in hell to find a healthy meal/snack/beverage/whatever in their community.
M. Flowers June 22, 2012 at 08:26 pm
GREAT Job Englander, way to go, finally someone stands up for the health of our children!! Read the science people, Americans consume 13.8 billion gallons of sugar-sweetened beverages in 2009. These drinks provided approx. 70,000 empty calories to Americans. These beverages represent the largest source of added sugar and excess calories in the American diet and has been linked to weight gain and type 2 diabetes. Coincidence? I think not, the soda industry continues to push their product especially in predominatnly Latino and African American neighborhoods, similar to tobacco. It's not rocket science people, Soda is the next tobacco!!!!!!!!

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